[Experimental] Manual Fan Control #2272
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At this setting, the fan speed on the left side of the machine(CPU fan) is at full speed. |
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@FliesQQ how fast fans will speed up still depends on hardware of course :) actual command is being sent immediately (i.e. every second) |
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So this is already very good now. |
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If GPU and CPU both in use, seems like CPU fan curve not function correct. |
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@elxander it is already possible by changing |
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Is it available in release or only in beta builds? I have the latest 0.165, set "fan_min": 5 and see no difference, no red labels with cpu/gpu fans percentage as well |
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@elxander it is available only in the Experimental build posted in this thread |
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Thank you. Downloaded it and set to "fan_min" : 1, the lowest possible speed is 1400 now. Better, but over 1800@20 not much really. Is it some kind of limit, or maybe we would need to extend the first step of graph, which is from off to 1800? It seems the profile is set to 01 though i'm not sure because in power user settings there is no description of this line |
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@elxander if 1% is 1400 this is how BIOS is programmed on your device |
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@FliesQQ values that is being set look correct and along the fan curve. You have mentioned that fans take time to spin up, most probably it’s slightly lagging because of that. Cause, as I understand, temps jump quickly in your testing :) |
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Yes, the temperature changes too quickly and the fan responds too slowly. If the temperature fluctuates, it is possible that the temperature has risen, but the fan speed setting is still at the low temperature speed. |
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@FliesQQ fan "setting" is what you see in a red label (so it's practically instant). But how fast actual fans would react on this - is something outside of my control unfortunately |
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Yes, it's really a pity. |
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@FliesQQ you can tackle that with a fan curve :) rise it to higher RPMs a bit faster P.S. I have also updated build in the header-message, now it will refresh speeds once every 500ms (so twice more frequent) |
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Before this update it was impossible for me to set a custom fan curve because of the bios rejecting it, now I can finally set the one I want! Thank you so much! EDIT: My Laptop is TUF A15 with an RTX 3050 |
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Great news |
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Log extract: 2024-03-23 20:43:21: Mode = 0 : OK As you can see, the FanCPU and FanGPU percentages don't match what is actually running (confirmed by hwinfo fan reading) |
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@fscottcopeland can you switch scale to RPM? Asus has quite specific interpretation of % points :) |
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Here you go. I've included my HWiNFO graphs too, in case it helps. GPU seems to hit ~71c and then jumps to 5000RPM, despite the 70c point being 4200RPM and 75c being 4600RPM. CPU doesn't seem right either. |
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The frustrating thing is that if I disable the custom fan curve, the fans then run slower - e.g. the GPU fan won't then jump to 5000rpm as soon as it hits 70c. |
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@Summersoff what's your laptop? Duo 16 2023 too? |
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@Summersoff then it's just a BIOS idiot-protection, which is actually ... good :) I have similar behavior on my ROG Ally. It would keep fans off until something like 55-60C and then no matter what app sets to it - will ramp them up. |
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@fscottcopeland if you disable custom fan curve, it's back to whatever default fan behavior is for each of your modes :) |
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Yeah. Such a shame. The stock balanced fan curve isn't aggressive enough - whilst the manual fan curve gets overridden and then becomes OTT. I really need a balance in between. |
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Thank you so much! it works great! |
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@yesnt10 amazing |
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Testing it atm. Seems to work fine so far. Though an optional hysteresis feature would be nice, cause I hear the fans whooshing up and down often |
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@manciuszz they do :) because one main complains that people accuse G-Helper of - is that fans are "slow" to react and "don't follow curve precisely" (even though when fans are controlled by BIOS it's absolutely not related to the app) I can add a hysteresis in a form of calculating an average of CPU / GPU temps for last 3 or 5 seconds, instead of acting immediately |
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That would be a nice to have. Preferably, hysteresis could be adjustable by the user, that would allow the user to set their preference whether they want faster reaction times or more stable fan speeds. I personally don't hear the fans because I'm wearing a headset, but I don't think the fans should be whooshing up and down that often either xD |
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@manciuszz I have updated build in the main post, and added default hystheresis in a form of using average temperature for last 6 seconds. It can be also adjusted via config. |
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Very nice. I'll check it out. --- EDIT --- |
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@manciuszz my idea to keep things simple on this stage |
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I've give up using this function... Now I'm using default setting.
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@FliesQQ no worries, default fan curves are best choice for majority :) Btw I did few more tweaks, and updated release in a header-message here. So you may also check that and see if fans react faster now (or not) |
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Nice feature, thanks! |
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And it can fully turn off it after I switch to Turbo and back to Silence. |
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@ElluIFX since it shows 0% in red label, this is what app actually sets as fan speed. As I mentioned in other comment here, it is possible that BIOS would override that as an idiot-protection if CPU is too hot for it's thinking. |
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@seerge That's really stupid. |
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PS: 0.154.0 can set minimal 1800RPM and real 1800~2400 RPM |
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Currently I have set min fan speed to be 25% and max 100% correspondingly (for most laptops 25% would be 1800-2000RPM) Theoretically i can allow even 1% in manual mode, but i'm not sure if it's healthy for the fans ... |
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Recently i use my G14 almost only PDF and Powerpoint reading, so light, lang battery life and quiet are much important. Maybe i should buy Macbook Air M3...But now G14 works also very well. |
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I think for office use you can get away with fans being completely off at all. Its also good for battery life |
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Yeah, and i have heard about, 4800HS performance better than newest 7840H under 10W, a Surprise. |
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I bought my laptop in 2019, and Armory Crate didn't allow me to make manual fan adjustments. Since then, I've been researching for a solution every few months. Then I found you and have been using your software, constantly checking for updates, but I still couldn't find a solution for fan adjustments... until today. It's working perfectly now, and your software allows me to make manual fan adjustments. My device is ASUS TUF 506LI. I think the only thing left for me is one setting; being able to undervolt directly on my device without the ThrottleStop application. |
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I'm glad it works |
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Working exactly as expected on G713RW. GHelper keeps on delivering!
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When I completely shut down the fans, I occasionally encounter a blue screen error. On the blue screen, I see an error code like 'fail tdr'. Prior to the blue screen, there are black screens resembling the graphics card attempting to restart itself, followed by the blue screen error. I don't think it's due to overheating because I monitor the temperatures and they usually hover around 50-60 degrees. |
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Are you sure it's related ? may be it's just some gpu issues? try to run fans on minimal speeds otherwise :) |
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I've set the fans to 1800rpm and never encounter a blue screen, but sometimes, when I turn off the fans, it gives a blue screen error at an uncertain time. To make sure, I formatted the computer and installed Windows 11. I've installed all drivers and will test it. |
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@hadixcanimm well, apparently something is overheating then :) it may be not CPU or GPU directly, but something on the motherboard itself or so (w/o own temperature sensor). And running fans apparently keep it in a good condition probably :) |
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Thank you! Works a lot better to control the fans on Zephyrus G14 2024 (GA403UI). |
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@l-naumann ok. Problem is that different models seem to have different minimum fan speed (and corresponding fan % setting that triggers that) . At first my idea to mimic asus own fan curves, where 0% = OFF, and 1% = is usually something like 1800RPM (or around 25% of max speed), so people will not have to re-edit their fan curves when they switch. Reality is more complicated than it is. Also there is some deviations from actual set value (in %) and real fan speed often. On my G14 2022 20% setting = 25% speed, but from what I have seen here sometimes deviation reaches up to 15% in total ... :| |
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@seerge I see. Maybe the automatic calibration could identify when fans start spinning by increasing fans in 1% steps, starting at 0%. When fans start spinning, add 1-2% as a safety margin and set it as new min percentage. |
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@l-naumann I have updated build in main post, now it should re-apply fan speeds after wake up no matter what |
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@seerge Thank you, seems to work! Could you please provide a build with min fan percentage = 0% again? Apart from that, this version is perfect for me. |
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@l-naumann i have updated build in main post again. Now you can set min-fan speed as a parameter in config |
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Thank you so much for making such a great tool. |
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When the actual speed of the fan is 4500, the red text in the software says 15%, so it looks like the bios is forcing the fan to work. |
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@Githuggerr it means something is overriding this setting. App acts correctly :) Yes, of course you need to uninstall AC using official AC uninstaller tool as clearly mentioned in readme |
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Thank you very much! I'll give this a try. |
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I have completely uninstalled Armoury in the above direction , but still continue to have this problem, I remembered that recently the system bios version was automatically upgraded from 315 to 316 via windows update, could this be the cause? |
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@Githuggerr could be, cause it's either app doing that (if you have no asus processes in windows Task Manager running, i can assume it's not the case) or BIOS itself. Try to experiment with actual fan curve, keep it not that flat :) may be that will make your BIOS more happy then. |
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fan speed aren't getting adjusted according in v0.182. i'm getting this Recording.2024-07-26.213244.mp4 |
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@Retr0680 it's not the services that G-Helper needs, it's a special driver (to communicate with an asus interface) that can be initialized via that DLL i was mentioning above :) You can stop asus services via |
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i clicked on the stop services button but after i reinstalled the asus system controll driver it restarted the services. i thought that maybe there is a way to delete those unnecessary asus services. |
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@Retr0680 there is, but there is no need to. When stopped they do nothing and they may be needed again if you will use something in MyASUS |
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Oh, all right thanks for the help again. Which ghelper version should I use the one you updated at the top or the one you asked me to download with the verbose logging? |
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It doesn’t matter. |
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Hey! I'm on the latest build above, but it appears the fan hysteresis has disappeared. I don't get the red text below the fan graphs anymore. Can you help?
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@fscottcopeland it says that Looks like asus system control interface is broken on your device. Try to reinstall it . |
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That sorted it, thank you! I went on a cleanup recently and must've removed it. |
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Hey man, just wanna say this is great stuff! With the F15 it usually sits at 85-90c during games but fans only hit 4k-near 5k now with this i was able to override it making things cooler (can hold back on the ext-cooler in the meantime) great work, thanks again! |
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unable to change windows power mode from balanced to best performance in balanced and turbo mode here is the Recording.2024-08-27.233732.mp4 |
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It means you use some strange windows power plan, that overrides it or have battery saver mode in windows. When you open new mode - it just reads actual power mode there. I see that you use a custom power plan, and most likely it's due to that |
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so it's not a bug? alright. thanks :). |
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@Retr0680 it's not a bug, it's a custom power plan (why?) that you use |
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Oh I adjusted the custom power plan to ultimate performance :) |
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@seerge does the fa506qm support the power limits option available in the fan+power panel? |
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the rpm i set and the rpm i am getting seems to be very different |
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@AlluringPegasu looks correct now. I have updated build in the main post as well :) |
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thank you |
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@seerge how much hysteresis do you think default bios settings uses?i dont like the fan speed chaning instantly whenever there is a temperature difference |
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@AlluringPegasu i think it varies a lot from model to model :) You can experiment with |
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its still kinda fast so i think i will try a 8 or 9 |
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Hello! My device is 2021 Flow X13 GV301QH + XGM 3080. There seems to be a bug which is advantageous in case of high XGM temps but not so much for idle/normal usage.
It looks like that the laptop's GPU fan speed is somehow tied to the XGM temperature. Also on the main screen and the red text, it shows GPU temp of XGM and fan speed of laptop's GPU fan. There is a mismatch with the fan speed % as well (i tried calibration). Another quick one for |
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@TheDamnedScientist this build should make GPU fan follow CPU temp (but still along it's own curve of course) when XGM is Enabled. This already happens in other situations if GPU temp is not available by any reason. |
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It works! Thanks a lot.
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@TheDamnedScientist great, I have updated build in the main post with the same link as well |
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to update ghelper should i just download the new exe and replace the current one? |
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Yes |
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The power consumption shows 50w(54w at max). No from what I can recall there was no option to control the cpu power consumption. |
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@Retr0680 if it shows 50W it seem to be working ? (at least that's what you are trying to set, right) ? You can try to set lower limit, like 20W and see if it reacts |
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I increased the power consumption to 65w while running the benchmark but it didn't exceed more than 54. |
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But that's not how power limits work :)) your CPU has some hard limits that it won't overcome. Limits is the ceiling - meaning it lets you lower your CPU power consumption that it does otherwise. Also keep in mind, that if you have CPU boost disabled - that also indirectly limits power, as it just doesn't need that much power w/o boost. You need to test with boost ON |
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the cpu boost is on from what i can see in the power plan advanced settings. |
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It didn't work as I expected. :/ |
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@HamzaY2 what exactly is not working as you expected ? |
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after testing it for a day I gotta say it's impressive how reactive it is, i'd even say "scary". I've tested some settings with this and it's really pleasant to have this much control over the fans behavior. I was calibrating the fan curve just now and wow.... I never thought these fan could go from 0 to 6000 RPM in 2 seconds. actually I think it's kinda worrying for the health of the fan because it really change quickly, even whith a high fan_hysteresis I hear really fast change beteween speed. Well if the intended purpose is to get high response time from the fan and precise control of the curve, It works great 👍! I really like the ability get under 2000 RPM, such a shame the native driver doesn't handle this correctly. |
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@elfi-ox you can set |
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I did but even so, I find it to make lots of abrut changes, You can hear it in this video for example (Turn up the volume) Also fan_hysteresis dosen't change roughness that come with changing fan profiles... in this video you can hear how violent it is and that's why I mentioned how surprised I was when I heard that. 1000RPM to 6000 RPM in 1s, compared to that, the bios fan management is slooooooooooooooow.... I can see that being a good thing but maybe too fast for me 😅 |
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Thank you so much for this great tool. I report a small problem, when I set 'Windows Power Mode' to 'Best Power Efficiency' in the software, if I put the computer into sleep, when woken up, this parameter changes back to 'Best Performance', and I found that if I wake up the computer and run again the GHelper.exe then the parameter stays at 'Best Power Efficiency', is it possible that after sleep windows takes over this power setting instead of ghelper? |
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@Githuggerr hello, i don't think this is related to the Experimental build topic you are writing in :) To actually investigate what happens in you specific case you need to post a new issue and include logs as asked in issue template. |
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Attached is the log file, as well as a video documenting the whole process for your reference, many thanks! f3f52184b656d4f1cd4bd5487dc8a69a.mp4 |
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Addendum: I checked the windows syslog on sleep wake and saw that after ghelper adjusted the power plan, ARMOURY CRATE adjusted the power plan and cpu policy, I need to use ARMOURY CRATE to set up keyboard and mouse macros, so I can't uninstall it, I believe that other users may have a similar need, so is it possible to make ghelper adjust power plan and cpu policy after ARMOURY CRATE. I have now manually added a task to automatically run ghelper.exe once after wakeup, which will solve the problem for now. |
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@Githuggerr well, you have your answer. AC overrides plans and it's not recommended to run 2 apps at the same time due to this reasons. G-Helper by itself also would set plan and power mode every time laptop wakes up, but if AC overrides it after - it won't help anyhow. |
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There should also be a lot of ghelper users who have to use ARMOURY CRATE at the same time, so is it possible to delay setting the power plan and cpu policy for a few seconds while the laptop wakes up, so that it ensures that the ghelper's settings don't get overwritten, thank you very much! |
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Would having a fan_shift setting per power profile be an option? I like it running 100 in my performance profiles, but I would like it to run 0 when on silent mode. |
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@daveholland86 why keeping it on 100 doesn't work for silent mode ? 2 fans would cool down system faster anyway than only CPU fan running, that you will most likely get when set |
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Just for sound profile. It's not so silent then, but I guess I can rework my fan speeds now that both run at the same time. |
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I want to try out this fan build since mine ain't working well (and being suggested it too). However I'm currently running on a tweaked ghelper build (mainly for dpi), How can I combined the fan build here with my current ghelper? |
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@brian2lee i have updated build in the main post with all recent changes from mainstream branch (including your DPI Strix fix). So just re-download it |
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@seerge Working, fan speed didn't drop and the temperature ain't frying my cpu for now. Just it seems to be quite sensitive to the temperature, hope this won't be much of an issue though. |
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Hi, when you said "Please test on your own risk (!) and only as a last resort in case you can't achieve desired fan behavior otherwise" did you mean to change config, or the whole update 0.193 is not safe, i want it without changing config, but only to do a little changes in cpu fan curves, would it be safe and it wont harm my laptop? just the fans are crazy in 0.191, so i want something that really can act as expected, can 0.193 be my default realease without problems? another question, what about 0.194, it seems to me good, is it also safe to make it default realease? |
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@Blue-Water0 remark applies to whole Manual fan control, as there is no idiot protection. Fans will run with the speeds you personally set. It's mentioned under "Potential downsides and risks" section. |
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Yeah, I understand. My laptop is: Asus tuf dash f15 fx517zc,
Which relaese is better overall? Thank you for your help |
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@Blue-Water0 are you talking about experimental build from this thread or mainstream ? Only experimental build posted here has manual fan control, as pretty much stated in the description. |
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I didn't notice that, you gave me the answer.. |
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Hello fellow community,
Recently I have discovered a way to directly set fan speed in percentage points for each fan individually.
It uses same method as MyASUS does when runs your "fan testing".
In existing and standard way to set a "custom" fan curve - fan behavior would be still handled by BIOS and follow it's internal algorithm. This BIOS algorithm is different for different models, sometimes includes a very high hysteresis (delays before acting), can override some custom fan behavior, etc.
In "alternative" approach, it's possible to actually literally manually set fan speed every second based on temperature readings.
This build implements "manual" fan control as soon as you check
Apply Custom Fan Curve, when you uncheck it - fan behavior will be returned back to BIOS.Current implementation details
Potential downsides and risks
Please test on your own risk (!) and only as a last resort in case you can't achieve desired fan behavior otherwise
#GHelper.zip
Updated 30.09.2024 (0.194)
Possible params for
config.json(with their default values)"fan_min": 20,- minimum fan speed (in %) when it's not OFF"fan_hysteresis": 6,- number of seconds to calculate average CPU / GPU temp (set 1 for instant reaction)"fan_shift" : 50,- weighted average coefficient between CPU (or GPU) temp and MAX(CPU,GPU) temps in a range from 0 to 100If you see a big (more than 500RPM) difference between fan curve and actual readings - try to click
Calibrate, it will run a quick measurement process and adjust Y-axis to match actual maximum RPMsYou will see what is actually being set as your fan speeds on
Fans+Powerscreen under fan curves chart. Don't forget to clickApply.Beta Was this translation helpful? Give feedback.
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