diff --git a/src/core/server/http/http_service.mock.ts b/src/core/server/http/http_service.mock.ts
index 7dccacee8509af4..f13b6b2fbbf66f8 100644
--- a/src/core/server/http/http_service.mock.ts
+++ b/src/core/server/http/http_service.mock.ts
@@ -37,9 +37,11 @@ const createSetupContractMock = () => {
       get: jest.fn(),
       isAuthenticated: jest.fn(),
     },
+    shouldListen: jest.fn(),
     createNewServer: async (cfg: Partial<HttpConfig>): Promise<HttpServerSetup> =>
       ({} as HttpServerSetup),
   };
+  setupContract.shouldListen.mockReturnValue(true);
   return setupContract;
 };
 
diff --git a/src/core/server/http/http_service.test.ts b/src/core/server/http/http_service.test.ts
index 16f946ffcc7ae49..bc4acdb396cf469 100644
--- a/src/core/server/http/http_service.test.ts
+++ b/src/core/server/http/http_service.test.ts
@@ -193,8 +193,9 @@ test('returns http server contract on setup', async () => {
   }));
 
   const service = new HttpService({ configService, env, logger });
-  const { createNewServer, ...setupHttpServer } = await service.setup();
+  const { createNewServer, shouldListen, ...setupHttpServer } = await service.setup();
   expect(createNewServer).toBeDefined();
+  expect(shouldListen).toBeDefined();
   expect(setupHttpServer).toEqual(httpServer);
 });
 
diff --git a/src/core/server/http/http_service.ts b/src/core/server/http/http_service.ts
index fec3774e2f36640..6957d72855dc115 100644
--- a/src/core/server/http/http_service.ts
+++ b/src/core/server/http/http_service.ts
@@ -31,6 +31,7 @@ import { HttpsRedirectServer } from './https_redirect_server';
 /** @public */
 export interface HttpServiceSetup extends HttpServerSetup {
   createNewServer: (cfg: Partial<HttpConfig>) => Promise<HttpServerSetup>;
+  shouldListen: () => boolean;
 }
 /** @public */
 export interface HttpServiceStart {
@@ -78,7 +79,11 @@ export class HttpService implements CoreService<HttpServiceSetup, HttpServiceSta
     const httpSetup = (this.httpServer.setup(config) || {}) as HttpServiceSetup;
     const setup = {
       ...httpSetup,
-      ...{ createNewServer: this.createServer.bind(this) },
+      ...{
+        createNewServer: this.createServer.bind(this),
+        // TODO make consistent. here we bind, below we read fresh config.
+        shouldListen: this.shouldListen.bind(this, config),
+      },
     };
     return setup;
   }
@@ -90,7 +95,7 @@ export class HttpService implements CoreService<HttpServiceSetup, HttpServiceSta
     // 1. If `server.autoListen` is explicitly set to `false`.
     // 2. When the process is run as dev cluster master in which case cluster manager
     // will fork a dedicated process where http service will be set up instead.
-    if (!this.coreContext.env.isDevClusterMaster && config.autoListen) {
+    if (this.shouldListen(config)) {
       // If a redirect port is specified, we start an HTTP server at this port and
       // redirect all requests to the SSL port.
       if (config.ssl.enabled && config.ssl.redirectHttpFromPort !== undefined) {
@@ -110,6 +115,10 @@ export class HttpService implements CoreService<HttpServiceSetup, HttpServiceSta
     };
   }
 
+  private shouldListen(config: HttpConfig) {
+    return !this.coreContext.env.isDevClusterMaster && config.autoListen;
+  }
+
   private async createServer(cfg: Partial<HttpConfig>) {
     const { port } = cfg;
     const config = await this.config$.pipe(first()).toPromise();
diff --git a/src/core/server/http/integration_tests/http_service.test.ts b/src/core/server/http/integration_tests/http_service.test.ts
index 100efc4e2a607ae..469a9d9ec585a98 100644
--- a/src/core/server/http/integration_tests/http_service.test.ts
+++ b/src/core/server/http/integration_tests/http_service.test.ts
@@ -76,7 +76,7 @@ describe('http service', () => {
           .get(root, legacyUrl)
           .expect(200, 'ok from legacy server');
 
-        expect(response.header['set-cookie']).toBe(undefined);
+        expect(response.header['set-cookie']).toHaveLength(1);
       });
 
       it('Should pass associated auth state to Legacy platform', async () => {
@@ -106,7 +106,7 @@ describe('http service', () => {
         expect(response.body.state).toEqual(user);
         expect(response.body.status).toEqual('authenticated');
 
-        expect(response.header['set-cookie']).toBe(undefined);
+        expect(response.header['set-cookie']).toHaveLength(1);
       });
     });
 
@@ -118,7 +118,7 @@ describe('http service', () => {
       afterEach(async () => await root.shutdown());
 
       it('Should support passing request through to the route handler', async () => {
-        const router = new Router('');
+        const router = new Router('/new-platform');
         router.get({ path: '/', validate: false }, async (req, res) => res.ok({ content: 'ok' }));
 
         const { http } = await root.setup();
@@ -130,7 +130,7 @@ describe('http service', () => {
         http.registerRouter(router);
         await root.start();
 
-        await kbnTestServer.request.get(root, '/').expect(200, { content: 'ok' });
+        await kbnTestServer.request.get(root, '/new-platform/').expect(200, { content: 'ok' });
       });
 
       it('Should support redirecting to configured url', async () => {
@@ -139,7 +139,7 @@ describe('http service', () => {
         http.registerOnPostAuth(async (req, t) => t.redirected(redirectTo));
         await root.start();
 
-        const response = await kbnTestServer.request.get(root, '/').expect(302);
+        const response = await kbnTestServer.request.get(root, '/new-platform/').expect(302);
         expect(response.header.location).toBe(redirectTo);
       });
 
@@ -151,7 +151,7 @@ describe('http service', () => {
         await root.start();
 
         await kbnTestServer.request
-          .get(root, '/')
+          .get(root, '/new-platform/')
           .expect(400, { statusCode: 400, error: 'Bad Request', message: 'unexpected error' });
       });
 
@@ -162,7 +162,7 @@ describe('http service', () => {
         });
         await root.start();
 
-        await kbnTestServer.request.get(root, '/').expect({
+        await kbnTestServer.request.get(root, '/new-platform/').expect({
           statusCode: 500,
           error: 'Internal Server Error',
           message: 'An internal server error occurred',
@@ -183,7 +183,7 @@ describe('http service', () => {
           }
           return t.next();
         });
-        const router = new Router('');
+        const router = new Router('/new-platform');
         router.get({ path: '/', validate: false }, async (req, res) =>
           // @ts-ignore. don't complain customField is not defined on Request type
           res.ok({ customField: String(req.customField) })
@@ -191,7 +191,9 @@ describe('http service', () => {
         http.registerRouter(router);
         await root.start();
 
-        await kbnTestServer.request.get(root, '/').expect(200, { customField: 'undefined' });
+        await kbnTestServer.request
+          .get(root, '/new-platform/')
+          .expect(200, { customField: 'undefined' });
       });
     });
 
@@ -205,10 +207,10 @@ describe('http service', () => {
       it('supports Url change on the flight', async () => {
         const { http } = await root.setup();
         http.registerOnPreAuth((req, t) => {
-          return t.redirected('/new-url', { forward: true });
+          return t.redirected('/new-platform/new-url', { forward: true });
         });
 
-        const router = new Router('/');
+        const router = new Router('/new-platform');
         router.get({ path: '/new-url', validate: false }, async (req, res) =>
           res.ok({ key: 'new-url-reached' })
         );
diff --git a/src/core/server/index.ts b/src/core/server/index.ts
index 4cebe24f39f1553..73a137c15baa375 100644
--- a/src/core/server/index.ts
+++ b/src/core/server/index.ts
@@ -115,7 +115,7 @@ export interface InternalCoreSetup {
  * @public
  */
 export interface InternalCoreStart {
-  http: HttpServiceStart;
+  // http: HttpServiceStart;
   plugins: PluginsServiceStart;
 }
 
diff --git a/src/core/server/legacy/legacy_service.test.ts b/src/core/server/legacy/legacy_service.test.ts
index 759a2eb76fd0c48..525bc626c788506 100644
--- a/src/core/server/legacy/legacy_service.test.ts
+++ b/src/core/server/legacy/legacy_service.test.ts
@@ -18,6 +18,7 @@
  */
 
 import { BehaviorSubject, Subject, throwError } from 'rxjs';
+// import { merge } from 'lodash';
 
 jest.mock('./legacy_platform_proxy');
 jest.mock('../../../legacy/server/kbn_server');
@@ -75,6 +76,7 @@ beforeEach(() => {
       http: {
         options: { someOption: 'foo', someAnotherOption: 'bar' },
         server: { listener: { addListener: jest.fn() }, route: jest.fn() },
+        shouldListen: () => true,
       },
       plugins: {
         contracts: new Map([['plugin-id', 'plugin-value']]),
@@ -339,7 +341,7 @@ describe('once LegacyService is set up without connection info', () => {
   const disabledHttpStartDeps = {
     core: {
       http: {
-        isListening: () => false,
+        // isListening: () => false,
       },
       plugins: { contracts: new Map() },
     },
@@ -347,6 +349,8 @@ describe('once LegacyService is set up without connection info', () => {
   };
   let legacyService: LegacyService;
   beforeEach(async () => {
+    setupDeps.core.http.shouldListen = () => false;
+
     legacyService = new LegacyService({ env, logger, configService: configService as any });
 
     await legacyService.setup(setupDeps);
@@ -382,6 +386,8 @@ describe('once LegacyService is set up without connection info', () => {
 
 describe('once LegacyService is set up in `devClusterMaster` mode', () => {
   beforeEach(() => {
+    // TODO fix me shouldnt mutate
+    setupDeps.core.http.shouldListen = () => false;
     configService.atPath.mockImplementation(path => {
       return new BehaviorSubject(
         path === 'dev' ? { basePathProxyTargetPort: 100500 } : { basePath: '/abc' }
@@ -404,9 +410,9 @@ describe('once LegacyService is set up in `devClusterMaster` mode', () => {
     await devClusterLegacyService.setup(setupDeps);
     await devClusterLegacyService.start({
       core: {
-        http: {
-          isListening: () => false,
-        },
+        // http: {
+        //   isListening: () => false,
+        // },
         plugins: { contracts: new Map() },
       },
       plugins: {},
@@ -432,9 +438,9 @@ describe('once LegacyService is set up in `devClusterMaster` mode', () => {
     await devClusterLegacyService.setup(setupDeps);
     await devClusterLegacyService.start({
       core: {
-        http: {
-          isListening: () => false,
-        },
+        // http: {
+        //   isListening: () => false,
+        // },
         plugins: { contracts: new Map() },
       },
       plugins: {},
diff --git a/src/core/server/legacy/legacy_service.ts b/src/core/server/legacy/legacy_service.ts
index fd1b46d7fa71189..5cd59585240b13b 100644
--- a/src/core/server/legacy/legacy_service.ts
+++ b/src/core/server/legacy/legacy_service.ts
@@ -154,7 +154,7 @@ export class LegacyService implements CoreService {
       // bridge with the "legacy" Kibana. If server isn't run (e.g. if process is
       // managed by ClusterManager or optimizer) then we won't have that info,
       // so we can't start "legacy" server either.
-      serverOptions: startDeps.core.http.isListening()
+      serverOptions: setupDeps.core.http.shouldListen()
         ? {
             ...setupDeps.core.http.options,
             listener: this.setupProxyListener(setupDeps.core.http.server),
diff --git a/src/core/server/server.ts b/src/core/server/server.ts
index 4f56e20f2c021b3..1c004a4659af418 100644
--- a/src/core/server/server.ts
+++ b/src/core/server/server.ts
@@ -83,11 +83,11 @@ export class Server {
   }
 
   public async start() {
-    const httpStart = await this.http.start();
+    // const httpStart =
     const pluginsStart = await this.plugins.start({});
 
     const coreStart = {
-      http: httpStart,
+      // http: httpStart,
       plugins: pluginsStart,
     };
 
@@ -96,6 +96,8 @@ export class Server {
       plugins: mapToObject(pluginsStart.contracts),
     });
 
+    await this.http.start();
+
     return coreStart;
   }
 
diff --git a/src/legacy/server/http/index.js b/src/legacy/server/http/index.js
index 0b9c66074220972..b064bebb0f89ea3 100644
--- a/src/legacy/server/http/index.js
+++ b/src/legacy/server/http/index.js
@@ -21,14 +21,14 @@ import { format } from 'url';
 import { resolve } from 'path';
 import _ from 'lodash';
 import Boom from 'boom';
-import Hapi from 'hapi';
+// import Hapi from 'hapi';
 import { setupVersionCheck } from './version_check';
 import { registerHapiPlugins } from './register_hapi_plugins';
 import { setupBasePathProvider } from './setup_base_path_provider';
 import { setupXsrf } from './xsrf';
 
 export default async function (kbnServer, server, config) {
-  kbnServer.server = new Hapi.Server(kbnServer.newPlatform.params.serverOptions);
+  kbnServer.server = kbnServer.newPlatform.setup.core.http.server;//new Hapi.Server(kbnServer.newPlatform.params.serverOptions);
   server = kbnServer.server;
 
   setupBasePathProvider(kbnServer);