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Large space between apostroph alikes and punctuation (Kerning) #323

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rriemann opened this issue May 3, 2020 · 9 comments · May be fixed by #351
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Large space between apostroph alikes and punctuation (Kerning) #323

rriemann opened this issue May 3, 2020 · 9 comments · May be fixed by #351
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@rriemann
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rriemann commented May 3, 2020

Dear all,

maybe I do not understand other overarching concerns, but I wonder why the space between apostroph and punction is so large.

Here a comparison for Italian between Adamina and Libertinus Serif from LibreOffice (Linux):

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I'm on Libertinus v6.11-1.1.

@alerque
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alerque commented May 4, 2020

I would agree the ’. kerning is too big and could be tightened up.

I just checked the double closing quote kerning and it suffers from the same issue.

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That being said this is rarely an issue in the English and Turkish texts I work with. Apostrophes rarely end a word as in your example and in English style guides the full stop goes inside the quotes not outside. Still should be fixed, it just might partially explain why it's never been addressed.

@waldyrious
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in English style guides the full stop goes inside the quotes not outside.

That depends on the style guide.

@alerque
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alerque commented May 4, 2020

Correct, I actually meant to say "many" there but it got lost in other copy editing. It's definitely not 100% normative.

@rriemann
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rriemann commented May 4, 2020

I did some brainstorming to find further pairs with large kerning:

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I’m not a fan of tighter kerning between closing quote mark an the period. But I agree about the other kerning issues.

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alerque commented Jun 23, 2020

I think part of the issue there is how inconsistent the kerning is depending on the glyph order. There is a radical difference between '. and .' and I think the difference is uncalled for. Those should be normalized so that they produce a similar visual density in both orders. Personally I prefer the tighter kerning, but perhaps at least splitting the difference would be in order.

@Mrifk
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Mrifk commented Jun 29, 2020

Could also stand to have tighter kerning on 's

Screenshot at 2020-06-29 16-08-34

@khaledhosny
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OK, I’m convinced now. But instead of adjusting kerning, the side bearings of the quotes need to be adjusted.

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If one wants to do this, 20 inner side bearing and 50 outer side bearing for serif regular seems to be good.

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