Web Components F2F Spring 2019

[rniwa]

We had a pretty productive meeting last spring in Tokyo. I solicited some interests and there appears to be a strong interest in having another F2F this spring around April.

Update: This F2F will take place on Thursday, April 25th and Friday, April 26th at Mozilla's Toronto office. Start time is 9AM both days.

Agenda : #802.

Minutes: raw minutes are available: https://www.w3.org/2019/04/25-components-irc

[rniwa]

Ugh... creating forms is too hard. Why don't we vote for dates here instead.

My availability with preferred.

• Last week of March (3/25 - 3/29)
• First week of April (4/1 - 4/5)
• Second week of April (4/8 - 4/12)
• Third week of April (4/15 - 4/19)
• Fourth week of April (4/22 - 4/26)
• Last week of April & first week of May (4/29 - 5/3)
• Second week of May (5/6 - 5/10)

[travisleithead]

Of the above weeks, I'm good for almost all of them excepting Second week of April (my kids' spring break).

[annevk]

I can do second week of April and onward. (And once we have a week I can check with Mozilla's Toronto office about hosting.)

[smaug----]

Not first week of April.
And I'd prefer not May.

[JanMiksovsky]

Me:

• Last week of March (3/25 - 3/29)
• First week of April (4/1 - 4/5)
• Second week of April (4/8 - 4/12)
• Third week of April (4/15 - 4/19)
• Fourth week of April (4/22 - 4/26)
• Last week of April & first week of May (4/29 - 5/3)
• Second week of May (5/6 - 5/10)

(@rniwa: the dates for 2nd week of May should be 5/6–10, not 5/8–12.)

[rniwa]

Looks like the fourth week of April (4/22 - 4/26) is the winner right now.

[hayatoito]

Me:

• Last week of March (3/25 - 3/29)
• First week of April (4/1 - 4/5)
• Second week of April (4/8 - 4/12) (This week, we have BlinkOn10 conference)
• Third week of April (4/15 - 4/19)
• Fourth week of April (4/22 - 4/26)
• Last week of April & first week of May (4/29 - 5/3)
• Second week of May (5/6 - 5/10)

[caridy]

Last week of March (3/25 - 3/29) conflicts with TC39 (New York).
Fourth week of April (4/22 - 4/26) sounds good. Salesforce can host it on Vancouver or Paris if needed. /cc @diervo

[rniwa]

@caridy Thanks for the host offer. It would be great if you can host us in Vancouver. Maybe we should start polling. @justinfagnani offered that Google may be able to host us in Waterloo as well. And @annevk said Mozilla might be able to host us in Toronto.

If anyone else is willing to offer a location to host us, please do so now.

Given the forth week of April seems like the week that works for most people, why don't we figure out the exact date & location. Could everyone who offered to potentially host us check to see if that's a viable option for these days?

Let's start collecting the preferred number of days to meet, preferred dates, & locations. Here's mine:

Preferred number of days to meet: 2 days

Preferred dates:

• Mon, 4/22
• Mon, 4/23
• Mon, 4/24
• Mon, 4/25
• Mon, 4/26

Preferred Locations:

• Paris
• Toronto
• Vancouver
• Waterloo

[diervo]

I can confirm that Salesforce can happily host in Vancouver.
The early we can confirm the better.

[annevk]

It seems in principle Mozilla could host in Toronto (I've tentatively reserved a large room). Vancouver seems rather far to me for a two-day meeting. Avoiding Wednesday would make hosting easier, but it's not necessarily a deal-breaker. I'm flexible on days myself. My strong preference would be Paris by the way.

(Do we know how many people will attend?)

[rniwa]

Probably 15-20 people? Maybe @hayatoito would remember how many people attended it last year?

[chaals]

Last year about 25

[annevk]

(Neither of those numbers should present a problem for Mozilla Toronto as I understand it.)

[caridy]

(Neither of those numbers are a problem for Salesforce Vancouver or Paris).

[rniwa]

Anyone else has preferred dates / locations?

[hober]

Technically, all of the proposed dates work for me, but I'd rather not do March or May. Any of the April dates are great.

[rniwa]

How about April 24-25 in Toronto, everyone? (Not Vancouver since @annevk said it might be too far away for him).

[smaug----]

Looks like I'll need to be in Toronto for other things at the end of April, so having web components meeting around the same time would be great. I think I'd prefer either beginning of the week or end of the week, so that I could spend the rest of the week for the other thing.
Would 25-26 work?

[annevk]

Let's try to get this settled by March 7. It seems Mozilla Toronto is preferred. And it seems we'll meet in April either 24-25 or 25-26 (the latter somewhat preferred by us). Anyone opposed to this? Anyone with conflicts for those dates?

[annevk]

Perhaps everyone planning to attend can reply. That'll also make things easier when the tentative plans become definitive. Options:

1. 24-25 and 25-26 work for me.
2. 24-25 works for me.
3. 25-26 works for me.
4. I'd rather ...

[annevk]

24-25 and 25-26 work for me.

[smaug----]

24-25 and 25-26 work for me, but prefer 25-26.

[dogoku]

Hi guys, is anyone from the public allowed to attend these meetings?

[annevk]

@dogoku absolutely, though please see https://notapattern.net/2014/10/14/ways-men-in-tech-are-unintentionally-sexist/.

[muan]

Hello! I'm from the frontend team at GitHub and would love to attend this meeting.

1. 24-25 and 25-26 work for me.

No dietary restrictions.

[dogoku]

@dogoku absolutely, though please see https://notapattern.net/2014/10/14/ways-men-in-tech-are-unintentionally-sexist/.

My apologies if I offended anyone. That was definitely not my intention. (the linked article is aptly named...)

[rniwa]

(3) 25-26 works better for me although I could do 24-25 (1)/(2) if I absolutely have to.

[justinfagnani]

(1) 24-25 and 25-26 work for me, but probably prefer 24-25

[rniwa]

I've gotta say I'm very psyched about the prospect of meeting so many web developers who are using web components. It's going to be great 😁.

[dbatiste]

@annevk I'd like to attend. Is it too late? If it's ok, my food preference would be omnivore. :)

[annevk]

@dbatiste yeah, that's fine.

Also, whoever wants to attend remotely: I need your contact details (probably email address) for instructions I'll email somewhere next week. My contact details are at https://annevankesteren.nl/about (email or Twitter DM works).

(I updated OP with the start time, 9AM both days.)

[dbatiste]

Thanks @annevk! :)

[svanherk]

Hi @annevk, sorry for the last minute request but I'd also like to join @dbatiste in attending. :)
If that's possible, my food preference would be omnivore.

[diervo]

We will have one more person from Salesforce, Brandon Ferrua (omnivore I believe)

[nyaxt]

I'd like to attend remotely for the HTML modules discussion.
Email: kouhei@google.com or GitHub/twitter @nyaxt

[annevk]

@svanherk please come!

@diervo @nyaxt noted.

[annevk]

Instructions for those attending remotely have been emailed. Looking forward to seeing everyone tomorrow, 9AM Toronto time!

[ruphin]

For those who are already in Toronto, perhaps we can meet this evening for dinner / drinks somewhere downtown. :)

[rniwa]

For those who were in the photo we took on the last day, I have it ready. Please email me (same username as my Github account) at webkit.org, and I'll send it to you privately since I'm not certain if everyone wants their pictures being distributed publicly.

[diervo]

Seems that Web Components is not in the schedule for Fukuoka, I would have swear it was a couple of weeks ago... Anyone knows? Are we meeting anyway? @annevk @rniwa?

[annevk]

I don't think it ever was on the schedule, but I would like to meet up. If only for triaging. We can always meet there informally somehow.

@hober @LJWatson perhaps some of this can be discussed as part of a meeting on HTML? Or is too late to have one at this point?

[LJWatson]

There isn't a plan to hold an HTML meeting at TPAC.

[annevk]

Should we make one?

[rniwa]

Yeah, I've love to have a time allocated to discuss web components related issues since there are a number of CSS & SVG related issues to resolve as well.

What would be the avenue through which we can request a time slot / meeting room for this?

[travisleithead]

I personally would love to see some time allocated to continue conversations about various web component proposals and discussions we had in Toronto.

I've been working with @plehegar to get room/slots for some specific discussions at TPAC with good success. One avenue is to use a community group slot for this--I think there are still CG slots available in the schedule--and leverage the old WHATWG CG making it clear that it is for web components? (Or maybe it's just time to create an official web components CG, and link it to w3c/webcomponents? I don't think anyone would object to that--then ask for a slot using that CG?)

Lots of options.

[annevk]

Those slots seem rather short though. Also, I don't think we need yet another CG (or resurrect one). There's already a new HTML WG for coordination with WHATWG and all of this is well within scope of that.

[domenic]

At the risk of throwing things in to more disarray, I continue to think that moving this repo to WICG would reduce confusion about its status (i.e. make it more clearly an incubation venue), in which case using the WICG banner to meet at TPAC would make sense to me.

[LJWatson]

Irrespective of where this fits into the scheme of things, there is the logistical matter of finding space and resources (when the room assignments have already been made). Making no promises, it would help to know: * How many people do you anticipate would participate? * How long would you want to meet for?

[annevk]

15-20 at most I suspect and ideally a day for Web Components. If we also want to have a general HTML session to discuss the HTML Standard in some capacity that'd require additional time (and probably involve a different set of people, perhaps more).

[diervo]

If venue is an issue (per the comments above), and if we figure logistics soon, I think I can get Salesforce to sponsor and rent some room somewhere close to the main event and get food for the day.

[LJWatson]

It looks like we can have a room at TPAC for two days, with space for about 20 people. It'll likely be the Monday and Tuesday (16 and 17 September), but I'll keep you posted.

Questions:

• Do we want a general HTML meeting as well as a Web Components meeting?
• Do we need wipeboards and/or remote dial-in capability in the room?
• How/where do we want to handle agenda bashing for either/both days?

[rniwa]

• Do we want a general HTML meeting as well as a Web Components meeting?

I can't answer that but:

• Do we need wipeboards and/or remote dial-in capability in the room?

We most certainly want to be able to project and/or have whiteboards.

• How/where do we want to handle agenda bashing for either/both days?

I think we can file a new issue in this issue tracker like we did for this F2F and last TPAC. Most of folks who are interested in web components are active in this repo's issue tracker anyhow.

[LJWatson]

The room wasn't available after all. We do have a room for 15 people on Tuesday though, and this should be added to the registration form soon. @hober has offered to chair, so hopefully it's all set for a Web Components meting.

[rniwa]

@LJWatson : Thanks as always! So we have a room on Tuesday for web components? @hober

[hober]

So we have a room on Tuesday for web components? @hober

Yup!

[rniwa]

Filed #826 to track the agenda. Closing this issue since F2F in Toronto has happened already.